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jonmorris

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Strikes cancelling trains through Welwyn Hatfield
« on: November 26, 2009, 10:50:02 PM »
FCC has solved the problem now by cancelling most trains! Worst performing TOC this quarter, along with London Overground.

Pay talks broke down yesterday, again, so strike seems likely. We will know on December 9th.

Meanwhile, expect NO trains this Sunday on GN side.
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Re: Strikes cancelling trains through Welwyn Hatfield
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2009, 05:44:52 PM »
On this subject, regular users of the First Capital Connect service may have experienced disruption of late and I've just received the letter below from the interim First Capital Connect Managing Director which I thought I'd share:



I travel on First Capital Connect to and from Westminster most days of the week, so will be keeping an eye on this issue. Whatever the dispute, inconveniencing passengers clearly cannot be the answer.

Grant.


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Re: Strikes cancelling trains through Welwyn Hatfield
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2009, 08:24:54 PM »
It would seem that the drivers decided to get a bit of money this Sunday on the GN side and decided not to refuse* to work overtime (the plan was to have an impact on the Arsenal game played earlier), which was a surprise to me considering the drivers have not accepted the latest pay offer.

Actually, maybe it isn't that much of a surprise because the pay offer for this year (if backdated to April) will still be far less than the money available by working rest days and doing overtime. I am surprised drivers were willing to cut off their nose to spite their face for so long.

I expect there will be an agreement sooner or later, as First Group will make an improved offer, especially with Mary now in temporary charge. Meanwhile, Elaine Holt must be rubbing her hands with glee at the prospect of taking over the franchise in the next year or two if problems continue!

Edit: * Refuse sounds like they're doing something wrong. Let me make it clear, they are not. They have every right to turn down (a better way of describing it, perhaps) overtime. It is my belief that a public service shouldn't rely on volunteering to do overtime, but the irony is that the 40% of drivers that volunteer to make quite a lot of extra money wouldn't actually want to see this change.
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Re: Strikes cancelling trains through Welwyn Hatfield
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2010, 07:24:09 PM »
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Re: Strikes cancelling trains through Welwyn Hatfield
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2010, 08:49:19 PM »
sorry I was trying to attach an article published in the ASLEF Journal which put my feelings better than I could, but have since sent this attached with an e-mail direct to Grant.
 
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Re: Strikes cancelling trains through Welwyn Hatfield
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2010, 10:12:29 PM »
As a bit of a side issue, there are press reports today that SNCF (nationalised French railways) are buying Arriva via a subsidiary, thus acquiring our local buses and the Wales and Cross Country rail franchises.  With DB (German Railways) now owning most of rail freight via EWS and the Chiltern Franchise, I wonder how long before the railways will be "nationalised" once again, just not by the UK government! 
 
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Re: Strikes cancelling trains through Welwyn Hatfield
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2010, 11:28:34 PM »
sorry I was trying to attach an article published in the ASLEF Journal which put my feelings better than I could, but have since sent this attached with an e-mail direct to Grant.
 
ric blondie64

As impossible as that is to accurately read through i got the gist and completely agree. I think the reasons why people strike have been completely lost from most discussion about strikes.

Thank you for posting it on here.
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Re: Strikes cancelling trains through Welwyn Hatfield
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2010, 12:36:29 PM »
Good post Blondie 64. My father was a driver on the railways all his working life. In his day before privatisation all staff were rostered to work Sundays, Bank holidays. Extra drivers were rostered as required to cover for sickness, holidays etc. Today the train companies such as First Capital Connect only employee the staff they own no rolling stock, track stations, signalling etc etc. Therefore the more money they can save by not having proper rostering as in the BR days they can save money and make more for the shareholders. Its crazy that any company or the public can blame drivers for not working their days off without being paid. If an accident happens and the driver has been working excessive overtime he will be blamed. The only way to run the train service correctly is to employ the correct amount of drivers to cover the service 7 days a week with correct rostering.
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Re: Strikes cancelling trains through Welwyn Hatfield
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2010, 09:50:58 AM »
The only way to run the train service correctly is to employ the correct amount of drivers to cover the service 7 days a week with correct rostering.

You're right, but the problem is the union actually don't mind the current situation. They are against making people do cumpulsory work on Sunday, and many drivers (around 30-40% from what I'm told) want to have the option of doing the overtime and earning a fair chunk on top. Some drivers can earn almost another £20k if they work every rest day that they legally can.

It's a catch 22. From what I hear from people in the railway, NOBODY really wants the system to change.

Part of the problem is with the RMT, where Bob Crow simply wants renationalisation. So, he can support rail workers even if it is bad for the railway operator. He wants not just First out but every private company. When the TL side had the serious disruption before Christmas, he was supportive of campaigns to get FCC stripped of its franchise - but not to be replaced with another company after a re-tendering process. He wanted the Government to take full control forever.

It's not for this thread to discuss whether a state-run railway was better or no, but shouldn't the union concentrate on protecting its members interests and forgetting the political agendas? I say this as a union member myself.
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Re: Strikes cancelling trains through Welwyn Hatfield
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2010, 12:22:51 PM »
Jon you seem to make out you know the Unions opinion? but in a recent branch meeting some EC members acknowledged the members stance over Christmas, but were more concerned at companies shedding drivers elsewhere in the industry mainly freight and companies like FCC weren't prepared to recruit directly from these sources, as the drivers would just need traction conversion, possible route knowledge and maybe some customer service skills!,
but no they threw it open to everyone and nearly missed people under their very nose employed by them with railway knowledge & skills.
 
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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2010, 04:50:57 PM »
I can't fully understand why FCC only took on new people to train, as against existing drivers that would need to sign a new route/train with fairly minimal training. I doubt I'll ever be able to find out why, although I guess you could be cynical and say that they want 'new blood' that aren't heavily 'unionised', as I believe is thought about those based at Bedford.
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