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[Anne]

All I would like to point out is that your view of the drug scene is wildly inaccurate, and that Welwyn does have a very active drug scene. Your view that the problem people come from Hatfield to Welwyn is incorrect.

gt... Are you sure you mean 'Welwyn'? Or do you mean Welwyn Garden City?

[Anne]

No, I didnt say that either! For someone who's challenged my facetious nature as exaggerating, you are struggling to recall your original point - being that A LOT OF THE PROBLEM PEOPLE COME FROM HATFIELD TO WELWYN. This isn't true, Welwyn has its own drug community. That is all, theres no need to make this point any more difficult.

gt... Are you sure you mean 'Welwyn'? Or do you mean Welwyn Garden City?

[Broadside]

Anne,
GT clearly means WGC.
Old Welwyn Village, a quality place, is nothing to do whatsoever
with the awful, and misnamed WGC.
Since the early 1970s WGC has had a massive drug 'problem',which continues. Whilst I find this understandable, how can anyone with any meaningful local knowledge, not know that this WGC problem is so prevalent?

[GhostTown68]

No, I didnt say that either! For someone who's challenged my facetious nature as exaggerating, you are struggling to recall your original point - being that A LOT OF THE PROBLEM PEOPLE COME FROM HATFIELD TO WELWYN. This isn't true, Welwyn has its own drug community. That is all, theres no need to make this point any more difficult.

gt... Are you sure you mean 'Welwyn'? Or do you mean Welwyn Garden City?

In relation to the thread title, I think its quite clear where I mean. Thanks for clogging the thread up though! 

[trekbat]

In relation to the thread title, I think its quite clear where I mean. Thanks for clogging the thread up though! 

Seems to be a pattern of behaviour emerging here - rather disappointing to see that one of the culprits is supposed to be a moderator. All the more reason to have a politically independent site, so that repeat offenders can be suspended.

[mythoughts]

I've never questioned if you lived here, I appealed to your better nature which clearly fell on deaf ears.

Yes of course you didnt mention mafioso crime families or drugs strapped to people, I was quite clearly being facetious (surely exaggerating when quoting what youve ACTUALLY said for any other reason would be a bit silly?) - what I'm saying is that originally you seemed to refuse to believe WGC has its own drug 'community' of both dealers and users, and its fair share of 'problem people'. The turf war bit is pretty silly, but its all relative isnt it.

All I would like to point out is that your view of the drug scene is wildly inaccurate, and that Welwyn does have a very active drug scene. Your view that the problem people come from Hatfield to Welwyn is incorrect.

(no bragging about being in the know, just pointing out that unlike some posters I dont just blunder into threads shouting from the rooftops....unless I feel qualified to do so!  )

Just picked up on this. When you consider that two cannabis factories were discovered across the district during the last few weeks and that a man from Knightsfield Welwyn Garden City has just been convicted of being involved in running a drug factory then it's fair to say the drugs problem is district wide, is it not?

http://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/5036308.Calne_cannabis_factory_men_must_pay_more_than___100_000/

[GhostTown68]

I've never questioned if you lived here, I appealed to your better nature which clearly fell on deaf ears.

Yes of course you didnt mention mafioso crime families or drugs strapped to people, I was quite clearly being facetious (surely exaggerating when quoting what youve ACTUALLY said for any other reason would be a bit silly?) - what I'm saying is that originally you seemed to refuse to believe WGC has its own drug 'community' of both dealers and users, and its fair share of 'problem people'. The turf war bit is pretty silly, but its all relative isnt it.

All I would like to point out is that your view of the drug scene is wildly inaccurate, and that Welwyn does have a very active drug scene. Your view that the problem people come from Hatfield to Welwyn is incorrect.

(no bragging about being in the know, just pointing out that unlike some posters I dont just blunder into threads shouting from the rooftops....unless I feel qualified to do so!  )

Just picked up on this. When you consider that two cannabis factories were discovered across the district during the last few weeks and that a man from Knightsfield Welwyn Garden City has just been convicted of being involved in running a drug factory then it's fair to say the drugs problem is district wide, is it not?

[url=http://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/5036308.Calne_cannabis_factory_men_must_pay_more_than___100_000/]http://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/5036308.Calne_cannabis_factory_men_must_pay_more_than___100_000/[/url]

Indeed, so to simply blame it on Hatfieldian 'problem people' coming to WGC is wildly inaccurate

[Broadside]

To repeat:
WGC has had a well reported 'drug problem' since c1970.
Nothing has changed.

[GhostTown68]

http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/two_suspected_drug_dealers_arrested_in_welwyn_garden_city_1_160390

The teenage pair both from WGC were taken away by police on Friday morning, following a tip-off. A drugs warrant, allowing police to search the home, was executed at Dalewood, in Panshanger by officers from the WGC neighbourhood team.
Several members of the public had contacted police and Crimestoppers regarding the address.
Pc Paul Edmondson said: “We acted on the information from concerned residents who had seen a number of vehicles coming and going at the address.”
AN 18-year-old man and a 19-year-old man, both the town were arrested on suspicious of being concerned in the supply of cannabis and cocaine have been given police bail until next month.

[debshertsuk]

Oh dear - yet another "you've got more druggies than us" argument has taken over what I was hoping to be a really interesting topic.

I agree that that the image of Hatfield has become synonymous with the seedier side of life but there are still decent people that live here and we deserve to be treated fairly and not get treated as the poor relations to WGC.

I would like to see a referendum regarding a split from WGC and am willing to listen to all points for and against the proposal.

Now can we please stop arguing about druggies and get back to the topic?

[trekbat]

Didn't find much on splitting up local authorities - these days, it seems they're more in favour of mergers:

Local government reorganisation
http://www.idea.gov.uk/idk/core/page.do?pageId=7816029

It would make sense for the referendum to be held on from voters coming under the Hatfield Town Council area, and given the costs to add a question to ballot papers.

There is a provision for holding a local authority referendum in Local Government Act of 2000 but it's not clear what the criteria are (can't find anything on the Hatfield TC or WHBC sites).

Referendums
http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/faq/referendums/what-legislation-governs-referendums-in-the-uk

(Sections 34)
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/ukpga_20000022_en_1

Does anyone know the procedure / criteria?

[Anne]

There is a provision for holding a local authority referendum in Local Government Act of 2000 but it's not clear what the criteria are (can't find anything on the Hatfield TC or WHBC sites).

Does anyone know the procedure / criteria?

No... sorry, I don't!

I am pondering on whether the cost will come out of Hatfield's council tax budget... 

[Broadside]

Anne,
Please don't worry. The WGC biased WHCouncil has lavished £millions on maintaining the meaningless pomposity of it's beloved WGC.
By comparison, it has spent very little on Hatfield. Therefore, there must be
a very substantial 'pot' held in reserve for Hatfield projects.
 

[debshertsuk]

A chamber pot?