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[mickeyl]

A very odd slogan indeed in the sense that the gap between poorest and richest is now at its greatest since World War 2, and that is with Labour having been in power for nearly ten years
 
This information was published on the 27th January 2010 by the National Equality Panel appointed by the Labour Government
 
This is just another example of the difference between Gordon Brown's weazel words and the reality. He must think the electorate is stupid and poorer people in particular

[jonmorris]

Are you sure it wasn't referring to a big fun fair that they're going to organise some time in the future? 

The problem for any Government in control for too long is that it's too late to start staying you'll do things when time is up (i.e. an election).

The same applied to the Conservatives, and any other party in power for a long time.

Who will believe anyone that has had 13 years to do what it promised, but didn't deliver?

[Kay]

 

says it all for me.

tt4n
Kay

[Martian]

Complete hyprocrisy! 13 years of Labour and an individual pays tax and national insurance that effectively deprives them of 31% of their incomes over £6475 per annum. Fine if your income averages £25,000 but if your earnings are say £10,000 its probably not worth working.
 
In France it is my understanding that a married couple with two children on average earnings (for one working) pay no tax at all.
 
Further as I have mentioned on other threads our Old Age Pension is the lowest in Western Europe apart from Portugal.
 
What a record!

[hatchet43]

Was it not the Labour Government of 1945 which good old Mandelsons Grandfather was part of, on launching the NHS promised care for all "from the cradle to the grave" ? and now they want to take a large chunk of an elderly persons estate when they pass on (talk is in the region of £20,000) for providing long term care for the elderly.  I would suggest that all elderly people retire to Scotland, at least they would be guaranteed FREE long term care, if needed.  There must be plenty of room, as most of them are down here sitting on the Labour front bench, and one squatting in No 10 Downing Street and another in No 11.  I bet when they retire, or lose power, they will fast track it back north of the border, where they will even get free prescriptions, and free uni places for their children - no tuition fees for them.  The slogan for the Labour party would be more accurate if it was "don't do as I do, do as I tell you to do"

[mickeyl]

Curiously and as an aside from the nonsense of the current Labour election manifesto, Herbert Morrison, Mandy's grandfather, fought unsuccessfully in Cabinet for the control of the hospitals to be by local authorities rather than by central government as now
 
He was a great believer in municipal socialism - a view of the world anchored in localism
 
See David Kynaston's book "A World to Build - Austerity Britain 1945 - 48"

[Richy]

A fair future for all in the public sector.  Manufacturing is less than half of what it was under the tories, how is that fair for those that relied on such jobs.

[mickeyl]

Dr Eamonn Butler [Director of the Adam Smith Institute] in yesterday's The Times, made the point " that the right time to cut government spending is actually when things sre bad, because government spending is inherently wasteful. In 2007, economists of the European Central Bank, calculated that with a bit of tweaking, the government could deliver exactly the same level of public services but with 16% less spending. When the Government already takes nearly half the nation's income, that saving would be a huge boost to struggling businesses all over the country."

[jonmorris]

Governments like to talk about health, the police, transport and other key things like they're the only things that exist - and so it's pretty simply to throw some more cash into each pot and job done.

But it's somewhat more complicated than that! Clearly the average voter can't fully appreciate that though.

Cutting spending by making things more efficient still looks like a cut to Joe Public. You just can't do it in the run up to an election, unless you fiddle the figures - and then the press will expose it and you're finished.

I do, in part, sympathise with the current Government - but I still don't think it's right to do things to win an election even if it isn't best for the country at large and the future. Once the date is set, everything will be about retaining power at any cost.

(And once again for those who will see me as an evil Tory, that's the same for ANY Government in power)

[mickeyl]

Nothing could be more cynical than our Labour Government.
 
They say that they have to keep on spending more and more borrowed money to drive the country out of recession but in reality it is being used to keep all public sector workers in jobs till after the election - the so-called pay-roll vote
 
The Quantitive Easing [printing money] programme was money which went straight into the Government's coffers with the buying of Government stocks and bonds

[kaz]

Nothing could be more cynical than our Labour Government.
 
They say that they have to keep on spending more and more borrowed money to drive the country out of recession but in reality it is being used to keep all public sector workers in jobs till after the election - the so-called pay-roll vote
 
The Quantitive Easing [printing money] programme was money which went straight into the Government's coffers with the buying of Government stocks and bonds

Prior to the unveiling of the 'A Future Fair for All' slogan Matthew Parris (Times) wrote the following:
 
quote:
 
Here are the sneak previews that a waiting world has been given to understand will form Labour’s four campaign slogans:
• Standing up for the many
• Ensuring the recovery
• Protecting frontline services
• Protecting jobs and new industries
 
You’ll find a more substantial set of imperatives in Goldilocks and the Three Bears.
 
There is also to be unveiled, I understand, some kind of über-slogan to knit together these four supporting themes. How about Who’s Been Eating My Porridge?
 
Unquote:
 
and this was before the alleged Gordon Brown bullying headlines, I wonder what slogan suggestions might have been with bullying in the mix.  I have seen slogan suggestions - 'A Future Fist For All' or simply ' A Future F   All' which if you are a hard working taxpayer is all that Labour have delivered in the last 13 years.
 
 

[hatchet43]

Mickey, I think you willl find Mandelsons Grandfather was Herbet Morrison not Herbert Wilson!

[mickeyl]

Thx Hatchet  Silly error on my part - now rectified
 
Just a bit of fun - it is Herbert Morrison - not your Herbet Morrison !!!!
 
 

[disgruntled]

Speaking of stupid headlines, how about the one over the weekend from the Tory party.

"Cameron / Osbourne plan to sell off bank shares to the public in the same manner as Thatcher denationalised industry in the 80's" (Or words to that effect, you understand I am sure)

How headline grabbing economically incoherent is that??!!!
This the party that says we need to slash spending to reduce the annual budget deficit and reduce our debt overhang a lot quicker than is being planned by the current lot.

So, how do you do that when you plan to sell off national assets (bank shares) at low, depressed, prices. Surely, like normal investors, they should wait for those institutions to reconstruct their balance sheets which would drive up the share price, and then sell. Perhaps at a profit to the taxpayer / national purse?

This lack of economic competence is far more important than the sensationalist headlines currently in the press and a debate over uniformly (that's all parties) silly election slogans.

I expect of course in the spirit of free and proper debate the moderators of this forum may well find my use of such words "inappropriate" and not relevant to the topic title.
 

[kaz]

Remember Labour’s four campaign slogans (launched on Saturday):
• Standing up for the many
• Ensuring the recovery
• Protecting frontline services
• Protecting jobs and new industries
 
Looks as though they have already blown  2 of these promises, Protecting front line services and Protecting jobs:
 
** Police force is to axe 100 posts **
One hundred posts are set to be cut at Hertfordshire Police following a £4m shortfall in government funding.
< http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/8534904.stm# >