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Panshanger House & the Panshanger Oak in the snow
« on: January 12, 2010, 09:06:14 AM »
I went out recently for a solo walk to my old childhood stomping ground with the aim of getting a few sneaky pics while there's still a bit of snow around.  Not fantastic shots but pleasant memories of the day and a tiny slice of Hertfordshire history all the same...
 
                      
A gentle stream can split a mountain, given enough time.

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Re: Panshanger House & the Panshanger Oak in the snow
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2010, 09:48:22 AM »
Ghost,
Superb photos - you old trespasser you!
I'm embarrassed to state, further to our guided tour in 2007, that I don't recall seeing these ruins. I remember the coach house / mews now used as offices, also the
slab of what I assumed to be the remains of the big house. How wrong could I be?
A year ago we went birdwatching to Panshanger Park but got kicked off as a shoot was in progress.
We must return!
The Park, now owned by La Farge, was mooted to be made open to the public - any news?
Thanks for sharing these photos.
I'll PM you in a mo.

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Re: Panshanger House & the Panshanger Oak in the snow
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2010, 12:22:27 PM »
There was a heron on the river as I crossed and mr fox stopped to stare at me as I walked by.  Plenty of pheasants around by the mighty Oak & feeders for them in abundance.
I've not really heard anything about the public access but it would be nice. Used to explore here as a kid and wandered about most of the estate grounds often exiting in unexpected places such as the gatehouse at Cole Green.  The footpath still runs through to Birch Green but I find it relatively unexciting in it's views.
The little ornate bridges that link on to Broad Water were great little hideaways when more overgrown/sheltered many years ago. I also recall a rusty little 'mini' waterwheel.  I suppose this was once part of the landscaped gardens.  Much of where I used to wander is now water/gravel extraction beds so it has changed a lot since my childhood. 
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Re: Panshanger House & the Panshanger Oak in the snow
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2010, 09:22:06 PM »
These are some wonderful pictures of the old Panshanger House! I too have been here once several years ago, it is only possible on a sunday  (yes trespassing). I have been here in Panshanger for several years and I still do not know where the Panshanger oak is! Can anybody enlighten me as to its whereabouts?



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Re: Panshanger House & the Panshanger Oak in the snow
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2010, 11:08:32 AM »
If you go to http://www.welwynhatfield.co.uk/ scroll down to the bottom to see a painting of the house.
I'm guessing the house is to the north of the lake
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Re: Panshanger House & the Panshanger Oak in the snow
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2010, 11:22:40 PM »
Hello, anyone interested in the history of Panshanger House, the Cowpers and Lord and Lady Desborough who owned it should read; 'Ettie. The Intimate Life and Dauntless Spirit of Lady Desborough' by Richard Davenport-Hines. ISBN978-0-7538-2595-2.  Fantastic book giving a clear insight into the lives of the aristocracy of a lost era.

The photos of the Orangery are very good but it is depressing to see the poor condition it is in now. I understood that many years ago a preservation order had been placed on it by EHDC but I would have to check if this is correct.


Much of the original landscape design by Repton has now been destroyed by unsympathetic gravel extraction and by the time the park is available for public use, as promised at some stage in the future, the park will have changed beyond recognition which is very sad.  I believe Repton's original plans are available to view at Hertford's Local History department at County Hall along with a massive archive collection of documentation from Panshanger House.

My husband's father worked for the estate and maintained the generators which powered the house and grounds, his wife worked in the house also.  Incidentally, the 'old lady' who lived above the stables for many years was Miss Joan Middleton who ran the riding stables and taught Lady Desborough's Grandchildren to ride.

The public footpath through the park is now a dismal walk and as there is a large pheasant shoot operated in there I don't think folk are encouraged to stroll about!! There are also some very deep gravel pits which are very dangerous. 

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Re: Panshanger House & the Panshanger Oak in the snow
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2010, 10:44:46 AM »
Those are beautiful pictures and bring back good memories for me of both walks I organised in 2007 and 2008.
 
For those of you who came along either time I have some very sad news. As you probably remember the walk was accompanied by Brian Butterfield who shared his vast knowledge of the wildlife and the plans for the future of the park. Brian died suddenly last week and I know his loss will be felt very keenly by his family and colleagues at Lafarge. He will be, in my opinion, impossible to replace and I was deeply saddened to hear of his untimely death.
 
I am sorry to be the bearer of horrible news. I am sure everyone who was fortunate enough to meet or have any dealings with Brian will remember him with fondness.
 
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Re: Panshanger House & the Panshanger Oak in the snow
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2010, 12:40:49 PM »
Sara,
 
How sad to hear of Brian's passing away.  My condolences to his family and also colleagues at LaFarge.  He was indeed a wonderful man with great knowledge of the flora and fauna and I'm sure all those that met him on one of the tours will agree that it is a terrible loss for all.
I'm sure though, that his work will live on for many years and will be a living, evolving tribute to his achievements.
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Re: Panshanger House & the Panshanger Oak in the snow
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2010, 03:00:51 PM »
Thoughts from Cornwall

I was interested to read and see what remains of Panshanger House (or Mansion as it was commonly called).  I lived on the estate between 1943 – 1959 at Panshanger Nurseries, about a mile to the west of the house.  We originally used to get our water from the Mimram and the pumps were below the house by a rather run down boat house on the river. Lady Desborough was very good to us and allowed us useful winter income to pick snowdrops in the woods by the mansion and other parts of the park – it meant many house lying prostrate on the leafy floor in January and February!.  In return we used to present Lady D with peaches from the glasshouses and figs on the wall of the walled garden at the nursery.

I used to ride my pony in the park and enjoyed the woodlands and rides as they were then but, I understand, long since gone.  Joan Middleton, or Miss Midd, as she was known, went to the stables of the mansion soon after the house was demolished.  She originally had stables at Quenby’s farm in Hertingfordbury.  It is strange to read of her being ‘an old lady’ as I still think of her as a young and smart lady who had an elderly mother!

I am glad the Oak is still growing and not hacked by Wallace & Inns who bought the land, including the nursery. At the nursery was the biggest known Ginkgo biloba (Maiden Hair Fern) tree in the UK.  Looking at the Google map it would appear that the tree is still standing and the walled garden is well maintained. From memory I think the whole estate was offered for £330k but there were no buyers for the one lot and it was split up. The nursery, house and 20 acres was sold for £5500.  .  It was a pity that, like many houses at the time, the mansion fell to the demolition crew.  I remember the auction after it was razed to the ground, of fireplaces, doors and fabrics etc and wonder just how much it would have made nowadays. 

The sale of the mansion was a big blow to the parish of Hertingfordbury.  It meant the village hall was sold, in a rather underhanded way, to the Masons and the village playing field at Hertingforbury would have gone a similar way had it not been for the vicar of St Mary’s at the time and Jocelyn Abel Smith, from Letty Green, who came to the rescue and bought it on behalf of the parish.  I wonder what became of the primary school at Birch Green, where I spent 6 years under the tutorage of Mrs Betts? 

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Re: Panshanger House & the Panshanger Oak in the snow
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2010, 04:28:52 PM »
Thanks for the info
The school at Birch Green is alive and well - http://www.hertingfordbury.herts.sch.uk/
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Re: Panshanger House & the Panshanger Oak in the snow
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2011, 09:55:41 AM »
How do you get to the house?


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Re: Panshanger House & the Panshanger Oak in the snow
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2011, 04:41:16 PM »
A Time Machine will be needed to visit the House. The Orangery still stands.
However I guess that this would be tresspassing (at the time of writing)
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