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[jonmorris]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2446669/Gipsies-pave-over-rural-idyll.html

HORRIFIED families watched helplessly yesterday as their rural idyll was PAVED OVER — by gipsies working flat out with JCBs.

The army of travellers had SEVENTY trucks of hardcore delivered as they raced to bury rolling fields over the Bank Holiday.

Last night they were continuing to toil with military precision — digging drains, installing a septic tank and fencing off permanent plots for a dozen caravans complete with car parking.

The eyesore camp is on green-belt land in a cul de sac overlooked by picture postcard homes worth up to £1million.

The aim is to have it finished before council penpushers get back to their desks tomorrow to halt the construction site under planning laws.

Frantic residents alerted police after the gipsies swooped on Saturday in a fleet of expensive BMWs and 4x4s to begin work at the crack of dawn.

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I was wondering what the Conservatives would do to stop this growing problem, especially when Welwyn Hatfield itself has been the victim of illegal occupation of car parks and open spaces in recent years.

What worries me most is how they buy land, build illegally on it, then get retrospective planning!! And, unsurprisingly, by doing it once and getting away with it - it signals a green light to everyone else.

[John Wood]

Jon Morris,
              If this was you,you would be taken to Court,your Buildings ect would be demolished.Then you would be charged for it.One Law for one,one Law for another.

[Peter H]

This problem might be why the govt wants the borough to find some places to put proper traveller sites. Better legal and regulated than what is described here.

[bmwland]

Drive on the land and bulldoze the lot... no planning permission - no buildings. Fine them and if they can't pay seize their vehicles, plasma TVs, JCBs and anything else of value - the message will soon spread... do nothing and everyone will be doing it!

[I am Legion]

Retrospective pp should be banned, if you build without permission you have to knock down and return it to its original state BEFORE applying too.

As for "travellers", this is the 21st century. Buy land, get pp and settle on it is fine, squat on others land and you should be evicted immediately by the police. No exceptions.

[eumelus]

As some of you may remember when it comes to certain traveler sites the local police and councils have no balls, last year when part of the A414 was closed off by travelers holding pony races the police did nothing to stop it, even when pony carts were aimed at police officers they still did nothing, i beleive that only one person was arrested that day, so if they cant stop them closing down a major road how on earth can we expect them to stop them building something.

For too many years we have allowed this government to push the human rights of criminals and law breakers above those of the law abiding members of society, and now these same rules are saving these very politicos from being prosecuted for serious fraud and other countless offences.

Personally i want a change where we go back to the days of strong government, whatever your views on the Thatcher era she left us with teh strongest economy of any western govt for years which got plundered by the `Pirates of the Labour Party`, now we are left poor by labour greed, with a country of disenchanted people that feel they have no place in modern society.

The storys of travelers building where they want with the law being unable or unwilling to do anything sums things up, how long before more `ethnic` groups start to do this, eventually the scum that is the BNP will start using this to get more and  more seats on local councils using YOUR fears, there is a sayin

`Those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it`

Remember europe before WWII, the nazis (BNP) were a minor party that played on the fears of a disenchanted and lifeless population, then suddenly they were in power and it was a nightmare for most or europe.

I may sound like all rubish and would never happen but if people continue to keep their eyes shut to whats happening around them then one day you will wake up with something you may not be able to change....

[Peter H]

Firstly, retrospective planning whatever you think of it is there for everyone so you cant blame anyone for using it. There is a risk in relying on it and it doesnt always work.
 
Second this is the 21st century so we should have got used to dealing with those parts of our community who dont want to live in a house all their lives and whose families have travelled for centuries. That means providing suitable temporary and permenant sites and not screaming NIMBY when the question comes up.
 
Thirdly, this govt is the most repressive we have had certainly since the war and its own abuse of the criminal justice system is appalling. It is frightening that you cant stop people driving horses and carts up and down main roads when you need to but no one is to blame when an innocent man is shot sitting on the tube. I was always wary of the Tories emphasis on law'n order but this govt has left us with too much law and much less order.

[Hertfordshire EDL]

Jon wood, you are spot on! you or I would be in court so fast before we could even say 'what about MY human rights?'

[Ghost of Repton]

If they had the money to buy the land, I'd like to see proof of how it was legally acquired/earned and check that all taxes etc. have been paid & all earnings declared.

[I am Legion]

What worries me most is how they buy land, build illegally on it, then get retrospective planning!! And, unsurprisingly, by doing it once and getting away with it - it signals a green light to everyone else.

Careful, using words like "they" might get you branded as a racist, and quite possibly arrested under the Labour party Prevention of Opinion Act used to arrest that pensioner who heckled Jack Straw.

[Kay]

A Pensioner was arrested for heckling J Straw? GAWD - whatever next!! 

'They'll (MP's/ Gonvernment) will be allowing people to protest / 'heckle' next so long as 'they' the public have muzzles on or a gag!!
PATHETIC!

tt4n
Kay

[bbtzs]

There is no doubt that travellers will be a problem as long as spaces are not provided. Having said that, even when they have spaces many still prefer to travel. My guess is that it is because they want to go elsewhere, do some dodgy tarmacing or tree trimming then get away quick before they can be caught and brought to account. It also allows anonymity and an ability to travel round whilst committing crime. There is a NIMBY problem but, the problem is that the NIMBIES are right. No-one should be subjected to these people with their appalling habits on their doorstep. The first step to solving the traveller problem is to stop the travelling crime wave that they are. This comes back to housing. When there are adequate homes then you can make better legislation to combat the travelling population, in between times I think we have an ongoing and unsatisfactory situation that will continue to drift.

[Kay]

bbtzs "When there are adequate homes then you can make better legislation to combat the travelling population, in between times I think we have an ongoing and unsatisfactory situation that will continue to drift. "

BUT give them a home and 'they' end up trashing that too!!!

tt4n
Kay

[bbtzs]

bbtzs "When there are adequate homes then you can make better legislation to combat the travelling population, in between times I think we have an ongoing and unsatisfactory situation that will continue to drift. "

BUT give them a home and 'they' end up trashing that too!!!

tt4n
Kay

Maybe but, I like to start from a point of principle first. Do what is right by people. Condemn them after that. Dont condemn first. Having said that travellers do rather stretch the patience of most people.

Tell me, if we were talking about Asian people or Gay people would be be allowed this discussion?