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[jonmorris]

Adoption of both Salisbury Village and Campion Road certainly do look to be years away, considering how much work is still to be done to the roads, pavements, verges and street furniture/lighting.

I know rubbish is a serious, valid, concern - but up the northern end along Campion Road and the side roads/paths, I'd say that 25% of the street lights aren't working, most road signs are either not fully erected, not lit, the cycle paths aren't finished, not all crossings have tactile surfaces, none of the bus stops are lit... the list goes on.

We moved in late 2003, and the estate was finished in 2004 or 2005 - so I do wonder when we'll ever see any further 'developments' to see the road properly finished?

[eumelus]

I moved into salisbury village in may 2003 and heard all the excuses under the sun about why things havnt been done, Since i took my first set of photos in this thread we have had a change of students in many areas and now have all new sets of crap laying around in the streets, to be honest im sick of all the excuses and im sure alot of other residents feel the same, before we moved in we were told by our housing officer that there would be no new school built (we now have the eyesore of howedell), we were told we would be getting a district centre of shops, leisure  and medical facilities (we got a chinese restaurant, a subway and an Aldis), we were told that we would get a country park (we got a 200 mtr wide planted field with a mini lake).

I have no more faith in the people incharge to do anything to help the local community anymore, it seems that we must all put up with Salisbury village turning into Hatfield West slums....

[aracnid]

Ther are so many issues that have to be resolved before the local council can take over the day to day care of roads and open spaces.
The main problem is that there are too many developers and sub developers that theoriginal planning permits and requirements have been modified and diluted so they bear no resemblence to the original approved plans.
The sewers, drainage, street lighting and even open spaces are all needing to be brought back to the original specifications before they can be accepted  and taken over.
So dont go on about the councils not careing, it is we dont want to be saddled with the bill for correcting all the faults,  money is tight enough as it is.

[eumelus]

You must need glasses as i havnt mentioned the council yet, but if you want me to how about the town council takes over the maintenace of the parks and yet cant manage to do half of what the contractors did, they cut the grass one day then a few days later turn up to blow the cutting soff the paths, then turn up a few more days later to pick up the cuttings, a job that the contractors did in one go......if they cant even cut grass properly how can we trust them to do anything remotely important.

[rg]

Update from the dHRA Chair yesterday on the dHRA Residents Forum regarding the fly tipping:
 
An Update regarding Rubbish/Fly Tipping

Mark Gilding our Local Councillor visited Salisbury Village this evening along with the Borough Council's Director of Finance and Operations and the Head of Environmental Services. Aparently they were quite shocked at the state of the area.

This is an extract(in red below) from Mark's e-mail after the visit to Salisbury Village this evening

'My colleagues were quite shocked at the amount of dumped rubbish around the estate. Action will be taken this week to do a massive clear up and to get things back to normal. An action plan is being devised to take on board feedback from last week and our tour tonight, and I believe that this will make a significant difference during the end of the student year and the start of the next year. This action plan will be finalised this week and I will circulate this to you as soon as I have seen it and ensured that it covers all of the areas discussed. A part of the plan will be around enforcement of the landlords who are creating this appauling mess in our community. I wont harp on about individual actions now, but you will shortly see a cohesive plan which joins up actions and means that this start/end of term dumping is dealt with in a better way. Obviously I would rather the individuals took responsibility for themselves but this is not happening and the Borough Council will take steps/enforce where appropriate.'

[eumelus]

I thought that the council had the powers now to impose fines on the individuals dumping around the area, i would be more than happy to walk round with Mark Gilding sometime and show him the real extent to this problem, hes missed the worst of it because most of the new batch of students are now in place in their new homes, but we stil have people throwing matresses onto the pavement and rubbish being dumped over back fences after wild parties....

[shapps]

Unfortunately there has been a very bad start to the University year for residents in parts of Salisbury Village.

I have therefore contacted both Tim Wilson (Vice Chancellor of the University) and David Newsome (in charge of Welwyn Hatfield policing) to request a meeting in order to try to address the issues which are quite literally causing my constituents sleepless nights at present.

I will keep you posted via this thread.

[Sleepless in Hatfield]

There is never a "good" start for residents when the students return! Not only for residents in Salisbury Village area - shame the other original residents in hatfield with these problems caused by students appear to still be ignored!! When Salisbury Village was first built I knew from experience that the long term community there would be made to suffer as we have been for a decade now - our street is once again full of litter i.e. takeaways, alcohol bottles, cans etc & booming music, racing cars

[shapps]

Not only for residents in Salisbury Village area - shame the other original residents in hatfield with these problems caused by students appear to still be ignored!! When Salisbury Village was first built I knew from experience that the long term community there would be made to suffer as we have been for a decade now

Agreed about other areas. And if anyone would like to contact me to let me know about a problem in their street then I'll add it to the agenda when I meet with the University and Police.

[class91]

Grant
Away for 2 weeks annual leave and we return to the usual disruptions around the property from the students who have returned to Salisbury Village to cause yet a further 9 / 10 months of misery, upset and sleepless nights to residents. Reside on Horsa Gardens facing the green. Last night or should I say this morning around 2m to 4am, students being disruptive on the otherside of the green in a property on Freemans Acre. The sound does seem to reverberate around the green bouncing off the town houses, probably needs more trees to muffle the sound, but if these are planted, no doubt some fine person(s) will try to tear them down. As has happened in the past!
As has been mentioned in earlier messages, there appears to be no consideration by certain students with the disruption they make. 

• They drop bottles, cans, paper, food cartons etc, I constanltly clear the mess left at the rear of Horsa Gardens where litter is dropped.
• Their cars race around the wrong way of the so called traffic calming messures.
• They have these exhaust systems which make a loud noise, the deep, deep base from the car stereo systems sometimes vibrate the house windows.
• Hoot their car horns.
• They don't talk quietly when walking past the house in the early hours.
• The walls between properties for some reason seems to amplyfy the noise made next door, walking up stairs, banging doors etc (but that is another matter).
• Inconsiderate car parking where we park our vehicle, have blocked our car in the garage, or have blocked our exit path into and out of our parking space in front of our garage. We don't leave our car in the garage any longer for fear of being blocked in and not being able to leave for work on time.

 
I have reported issues in the past to police and university maintaining a log of the disruptive events, dates, times, locations etc. If we call the police all we receive is a reference number, don't know whether any further action takes place. It seems not. Is any action taken against the persistant offenders?
 
You requested to be informed of any problem, regrettably, it is problems. The students do not care about their surroundings. Are we also going to see the implementation of parking permits or will we have countless vehicles arriving each day causing yet further issues? Cannot any action be taken against the landlords?
Yours a tired, upset and miserable house owner. 
 
 
 
PS. When we saw the property in Apr 2003 and moved in at the end of May 2003, we were so happy, a lovely house facing the green, little did we know and realise how matters would change for the worse. If we could, we would move away tomorrow. Hindsight......

[Sleepless in Hatfield]

WHT website today - "New Uni of Herts students living in Hotels" seems the Uni took more fresher students on than they have accommodation for!! I wonder who is paying for that or do they get it free! shame us residents can't get hotel nights away from ASB students!

[John Wood]

The General Election must be near.Mike Hobday will be on this blog next saving us from these students and about time too.

[needsleep]

Have just read this thread with interest. Less than a week after the students have returned to the many houses on salibury village, we have had rubbish thrown out the front, cars parked on both sides of the roads so we are unable to pass. There was a wardrobe thrown across the pavement, and last night (or this morning) at 2am we had 2 houses having a huge argument in the street. I am sick and tired of this every year they come back.

The front gardens looks a mess and no-one bothers to cut the grass or even weed them. I have had enough but don't know who to complain to, is there someone at the uni who can help?

[jonmorris]

Since we moved here six years ago (although, we're not that badly affected by students as we're up at the northern side of the business park), I have realised the University doesn't seem to care in the slightest about what happens outside of their walls.

And, they use the argument that residents are treating students unfairly, we were all young once and other emotive statements that are supposed to make us feel guilty and sympathise with the students. It's very easy to make everyone else look bad, and just out to knock hard working students that want to better themselves in life (and, in reality, most students probably do - but they're not the ones any of us are moaning about!).

The problem is, I do remember what it was like to be young. I did do silly things, but being disrespectful to others around me wasn't one of them. You can still have fun, get wasted, mess around and not actually wreck the place and keep everyone up at 3am.

I wonder if it is going to get worse, as more people look to going to University simply as a way of delaying having to enter the job market for 3-4 years. These people won't be bothered about studying and will cause even more of a nuisance. Again, the Uni gets money either way, so what incentive do they have to give students a hard time?

[needsleep]

I hate even closing my car door at night in case I disturb the neighbours, what right do they have to keep myself and 2 of my kids awake at 2am? I don't want to hear arguments at silly o'clock. There is loads of families on this estate but the landlords don't care, they make their houses into multiple dwelling, and the students don't give a fig either.

I have to say that last year we had 2 lovely students girls next door who we never heard a peep from, but the large 3 storey houses that have 6-8 people in them cause all the problems. Does anyone know who owns the XS property management houses??