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NHS polyclinics will damage patient care
« on: June 05, 2008, 09:51:08 AM »
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/jun/05/nhs.health

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The King's Fund says in a report that polyclinics - supersurgeries offering a wide range of medical services - may be more expensive, less efficient and less accessible than the traditional family doctor service


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Re: NHS polyclinics will damage patient care
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2008, 09:43:43 PM »
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/jun/05/nhs.health

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The King's Fund says in a report that polyclinics - supersurgeries offering a wide range of medical services - may be more expensive, less efficient and less accessible than the traditional family doctor service


Interesting that the article is predicated on quite a big "if"
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Re: NHS polyclinics will damage patient care
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2008, 09:09:40 AM »
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Interesting that the article is predicated on quite a big "if"

do you predict another U-turn then?
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Re: NHS polyclinics will damage patient care
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2008, 11:41:23 AM »
me things that we could be going round and round in circles at this rate ::)
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Re: NHS polyclinics will damage patient care
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2008, 06:53:54 PM »
Well, for some it might become a case of "it always comes back to me!", as the skunk said when the wind changed direction.
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Re: NHS polyclinics will damage patient care
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2008, 09:02:56 PM »
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Interesting that the article is predicated on quite a big "if"

do you predict another U-turn then?

The article said, "NHS patients will get a poorer standard of care if the government persists with plans to merge GP practices into polyclinics".

I predict that the Government won't "merge GP practices into polyclinics". That's certainly not what's being suggested here:
http://www.enherts-pct.nhs.uk/Documents/consultation/ConsultationPaperForWebsites.pdf

I'm not sure if that's a policy change or not but, if it is, it's certainly not a recent one.
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Re: NHS polyclinics will damage patient care
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2008, 03:16:23 PM »
I wonder where the extra GPs are going to come from to lead these "GP-led health centres".
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Re: NHS polyclinics will damage patient care
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2008, 08:44:38 AM »
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More than a million people have signed a petition urging ministers to rethink plans for a network of polyclinics


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7448739.stm

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"Work with us to improve the service, not against us, and ignore at your peril the wishes of the most important people in the NHS - the patients."


Well, the patients always get ignored don't they? - that's what's happened in our area for sure!
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Re: NHS polyclinics will damage patient care
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2008, 08:22:03 PM »
I hadn't really thought about the Polyclinics to be honest - until recently. What does strike me is this - when someone sees a Dr out of hours - the Dr usually suggests the person go and see their 'GP' as in the Dr that knows that person.

It is really impersonal seeing a Dr who does not have a 'relationship' with their patient (relationship as in knowing the person/s health history etc.,).  I prefer the system as it is now.  Some find it difficult to say how they are when it comes to feelings / illnesses etc., and having a GP who has built up a Dr / Patient relationship is helpful / preferable. 

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Which GP Surgeries in Welwyn Hatfield may close?
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2008, 03:49:17 PM »
http://www.stalbansobserver.co.uk/news/localnews/display.var.2350158.0.gp_surgeries_at_risk.php

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EIGHT GP practices in Welwyn Hatfield are facing the threat of closure, we can reveal.

The Tories yesterday issued a list of endangered surgeries which could potentially close as a result of Government plans to build new "super surgeries."



Grant: can you clarify this story for us please?
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Re: Which GP Surgeries in Welwyn Hatfield may close?
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2008, 08:26:36 PM »
http://www.stalbansobserver.co.uk/news/localnews/display.var.2350158.0.gp_surgeries_at_risk.php

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EIGHT GP practices in Welwyn Hatfield are facing the threat of closure, we can reveal.

The Tories yesterday issued a list of endangered surgeries which could potentially close as a result of Government plans to build new "super surgeries."



Grant: can you clarify this story for us please?

I wonder what the chances are of the Tories apologising for their alarmist language if no surgeries close?
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Re: Which GP Surgeries in Welwyn Hatfield may close?
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2008, 09:05:37 PM »
I would like to know where this story is coming from...it wouldn't surprise me if it's true. Of course GP surgeries will close if the UK implements the dafty strartegy.

However Mike, when do you think our unelected PM Gordon Brown will apologise for his  flagrant breach of Labour's 2005 election manifesto to grant a referendum on the new European Union treaty? Or for bringing the UK to its knees economicaly as COTE and then as PM....

That'll be the day.

P.S. My dentist bill for recent work is topping £750 for work that should be available under the NHS. I'm keeping all the receipts and will send to Gordon demanding a rebate...Gappy Longest Day to your Sir!
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Re: Which GP Surgeries in Welwyn Hatfield may close?
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2008, 09:31:31 PM »
Kay was right about this, months ago, well done Kay.
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Re: Which GP Surgeries in Welwyn Hatfield may close?
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2008, 10:42:06 PM »
sounds like a load of old nonsense to me. the papers are just full of all this stuff - everywhere shutting down blah blah blah. are they doing it on purpose to try and scare us or something?!?
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Re: Which GP Surgeries in Welwyn Hatfield may close?
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2008, 05:52:54 PM »
Hi all,

First I knew of a list of 8 GP surgeries was reading the front page of the Welwyn Hatfield Review.  It is however true that GPs in Welwyn Hatfield are under threat because of the so called Polyclinics that the government wants to establish. These would involve large clinics which are more distant from the population.  Kind of like the large A&E and acute services at fewer hospitals all over again for GPs.

However, I certainly don't have a list of 8 clinics set to close in Welwyn Hatfield and whilst my quotes appear accurately they were provided in response to a telephone call from the Welwyn Hatfield Review reporter about the Polyclinic concept and the threat that they pose. I don't know where the list of 8 GP surgeries comes from, but it isn't a list that I have.

Grant.

Here's our Party view on Polyclinics which are particularly endorse from a Welwyn Hatfield point of view, since we've already seen how they've wrecked our Hospital NHS locally:

Significant resources have been wasted on repeated NHS restructuring. There have been ten major reorganisations of the NHS since Labour came to power in 1997, each of which wastes money and prevents NHS staff fulfilling their primary role – providing treatment and care.

The Conservative Party have pledged that when we gain power there will be no more pointless reorganisations of the NHS, which are both costly and disruptive. We believe decisions affecting local services should not be taken by distant politicians or an unaccountable bureaucracy, but by frontline staff in our local NHS on behalf of their patients.

Conservatives are determined to maintain and strengthen the NHS, and have pledged to put the patients and professionals at the heart of the NHS, as we believe that they are best placed to make decisions about the treatment and care required.  Profits should not be put before patients.

Under a future Conservative Government the NHS will have a greater patient focus, it will be properly resourced and it will be free at the point of delivery.

David Cameron has called for bottom-up reform of the NHS and promised to fight Labour’s plans to close GP surgeries. He has stressed the need for serious reform to turn the NHS into a more decentralised, more patient-centred, less bureaucratic system, and has criticised Labour for imposing polyclinics on local communities without public support and against the wishes of GPs themselves.

With 1,700 GP surgeries under threat from the polyclinic proposal, David Cameron has pledged to save the family doctor service from Brown’s NHS cuts. In fact, he has urged GPs to sign a petition – organised by the thinktank ‘2020health’ – to protect the family doctor service.

Unfortunately, Welwyn Hatfield has already suffered over the last few years when the Government reneged on their promise to build us a super hospital, and then took away the acute services at the QE2 as well. Now this is happening and people are understandably upset.

Please rest assured that the Conservative Party are working hard to create policy to tackle the problems that face modern Britain today.

Thank you again for getting in touch and please do not hesitate to do so again.

Grant.




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