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Re: The RVC and Hawkshead Lane
« Reply #45 on: February 02, 2009, 12:33:33 PM »
Grant
 
In my opinion, the only realistic way the parking problem in Hawkshead Lane is going to be resolved, is for the RVC to provide parking in its grounds on the north side of the lane.
 
Discussions about providing eco-friendly cycleways and free transport etc will do next to nothing to alleviate the problem, and may distract from resolving the heart of the problem, by giving the appearance of doing something.
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Re: The RVC and Hawkshead Lane
« Reply #46 on: February 16, 2009, 12:07:44 PM »
Hi Grant,
 
This has been ongoing for some considerable time, results are needed before there is a serious accident. Only last week a horsebox got stuck between the parked cars. The RVC needs to take responsibility and do something before it is too late!
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Re: The RVC and Hawkshead Lane
« Reply #47 on: February 16, 2009, 01:15:43 PM »

Discussions about providing eco-friendly cycleways ....

At last weeks Welwyn Hatfield Cycling Forum we were told by HCC that they had costed a cycle route to Potters Bar station but this was very expensive and likely to be little used as rural routes are percieved as too remote and thus unsafe. 

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Re: The RVC and Hawkshead Lane
« Reply #48 on: February 16, 2009, 01:42:36 PM »
In my opinion, if the RVC has any money available, it should spend it on a solution which is most likely to solve the problem - that is additional car parking spaces WITHIN ITS GROUNDS.
 
Discussing other possibilities with the RVC, gets them off the hook because it allows them to substitute 'talk' in place of 'action'
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Re: The RVC and Hawkshead Lane
« Reply #49 on: February 17, 2009, 10:25:07 AM »
I think that there is a wider issue here - the RVC is just getting too big for its surroundings and Hawkshead Lane simply can’t cope
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Re: The RVC and Hawkshead Lane
« Reply #50 on: February 17, 2009, 12:15:03 PM »
Just to let everyone know,

A new date has been set for the rescheduled meeting to discuss Hawkshead Lane.

It will now take place at 4pm on Friday 6th March at RVC.

In attendance will be:

Professor Quintin McKellar
Jeff Cutler, Chair of Residents’ Association
Chris Conway, Chief Planning Officer
Dave Newson (on behalf of Chief Inspector Tony Smith)
Cllr Keith Pieri
Cllr Stuart Pile
Ian Mehrtens, Director of Estates at RVC
Grant Shapps MP

Any details or information regarding this meeting will be updated onto the forum.

Clementine Brook
Parliamentary Assistant to Grant Shapps MP

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Re: The RVC and Hawkshead Lane
« Reply #51 on: March 09, 2009, 10:12:30 AM »
Does anyone know if the meeting took place?
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Re: The RVC and Hawkshead Lane
« Reply #52 on: March 09, 2009, 10:13:17 AM »
Yes it did. Very constructive.  Will post up notes later today.

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Re: The RVC and Hawkshead Lane - progress at last?
« Reply #53 on: March 09, 2009, 01:09:19 PM »
Hi all,

I'm very pleased to report that a very constructive meeting took place at the RVC on Friday afternoon. I wanted to get this meeting together with all the right people around the table in order to resolve one of the main issues which was that everyone shared some responsibility, but that no one could fix the problem without greater coordination.

We managed to map out a potential way forward with a 5 point plan.  Please read the minutes below for the details and a possible time table.  My thanks to Residents' Association Chairman Jeff Cutler for taking and typing the minutes.

   
RVC PARKING MEETING – FRIDAY 6 MARCH 2009
Persons present:
 
Grant Shapps MP                                MP for Welwyn Hatfield
Professor Quintin McKellar                Principal, Royal Veterinary College
Ian Mehrtens                                       Director of Estates, Royal Veterinary College
Craig Woodhams                                President, RVC Students Union       
Benedict McAleenan                          With Grant Shapps MP (standing in for Kat)
Jeff Cutler                                           Hawkshead   Lane Residents’ Association
Chris Conway                                     Chief Planning Officer, WHBC
Cllr Kieth Pieri                                    Welwyn Hatfield Borough Council
Cllr Stuart Pile                                    Cabinet Member for Highways, Herts CC
Steve Dibben                                      Highways Dept, Herts CC
Sanjay Patel                                        Highways Dept, Herts CC
Tony Smith                                         Hertfordshire Constabulary
 
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It was acknowledged by all present that the parking situation in Hawkshead Lane is unacceptable and action is required to resolve the problem as soon as possible in view of the considerable inconvenience to residents, RVC staff and students and passers-by.
 
The RVC has doubled in size over the last 10 years. Currently 800 staff and 1900 students (5 years ago there were 400 staff and 700 students). These numbers relate to the College across both campuses and not just Hawkshead.
 
The RVC is expanding and the number of students will increase by 100 to 2,000 shortly.
 
The RVC are proposing to build additional accommodation and parking for 140 students within the Campus.
 
The number of cars parked in Hawkshead Lane varies from days to day and is at its peak between September and June when there can be up to 130 cars parked in the Lane at any one time. There is no problem with parking at weekends and during the summer months.
 
Generally it was considered that more parking spaces should be provided by the RVC to accommodate the present overflow, but other measures are necessary to improve the use of bus services otherwise the problem would be likely to return, particularly as the RVC expands further.
 
The RVC pay £90,000 p.a. for a bus service which only 20 students use regularly. Approx 100 students cycle to the Campus. More would cycle or walk if there were proper cycle paths and footpaths that were properly lit. It is unsafe to walk along the unlit Lane in the dark, particularly for female staff and students. The footpaths are poorly maintained particularly the line path from Brookmans Park Station and the conditions in wet weather mean the paths are used less in wet weather.
 
The cost of providing a fully lit cycle path along Hawkshead Lane was considered to be impracticable as the Lane is too narrow and it would be prohibitively expensive. However improvements could be made.
 
The students do not use the current bus service provided by the RVC. The bus takes a route to the Campus in the mornings, again in the evenings and additionally to Tesco and the station at lunchtime and. However students choose not always to remain on Campus throughout the day and would like the flexibility to leave before the 5pm bus. It would be necessary to timetable buses to leave the site several times throughout the day but this would substantially increase the cost.
 
There was a suggestion that if more regular buses could be provided the students could be charged a fixed annual sum for a bus pass which would encourage them to use the service.
 
Hertfordshire Highways are prepared to work with the RVC students on a travel plan, and will undertake to look at cycle paths, pathways and lighting to see what improvements can be made.   
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Grant Shapps proposed a 5 point plan which was agreed to:

1)  A Green Travel Plan to be prepared by the RVC for approval by the County and Borough Councils and Students. Ian Mehrtens has already drafted a travel plan which has been discussed with Herts County Council and a researcher from the University of Hertfordshire. It was agreed a green travel plan will be prepared by the RVC and submitted to the County Council by 15 May 2009.

2) RVC to submit a Planning Application for 150 additional parking spaces potentially on land to the east of the Queen Mother Small Animal Hospital and west of the railway line by Summer 2009. This location is outside the Major Development Site boundary and the Outline Planning Application boundary and so "special circumstances" would have to be demonstrated in order for the Application to be successful.  Suitable parking survey material will have to be provided with the Planning Application and Jeff Cutler will consult with residents and provide Ian Mehrtens with any useful data on the number of cars parked daily. This will be added to information further research carried out by the RVC.  If the Council approve the application, construction of the additional parking spaces could potentially take place by the end of 2009.

3) Clearway Order. There was a discussion regarding parking restrictions. Bollards could be put on grass verges but that could just extend the parking further along the road, impinging on even more residents. Yellow lines could be put down: double yellow lines require no signage but single yellow lines require posts and signs so are more expensive to install and maintain. Both of these solutions would be unusual at this kind of location and would require Experimental Traffic Orders to be placed. An alternative is for an Application to be made for a Clearway Order which would prohibit parking along the Lane between the signs at either end. It was hoped that there would be no objections to this from local residents as the parking situation has now become intolerable. The County would need to consult the residents and it was suggested the Clearway Order should be applied for at the same time as the Planning Application for additional parking spaces i.e. by Summer 2009.

4) Active enforcement through RVC. Professor McKellar confirmed that, if the above measures are implemented, once the additional parking spaces are made available for use, the RVC would be prepared to implement new rules for students who would be subject to disciplinary action if they park vehicles in the roadway or grass verges along Hawkshead Lane. Craig Woodhams confirmed such action would be supported by the Student Union subject to these not being introduced until the additional parking spaces have been provided.

5) Police to assist with initial enforcement. A clearway order can in fact only be enforced by the police and will require their support. After an initial period with the college and police actively engaged, clearways usually become self-policing.


Grant Shapps emphasised the importance of everyone taking the required action within the agreed timeframes to ensure the success of the plan which should hopefully resolve the parking issues, perhaps as early as the of 2009 if the time table can be met.

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Re: The RVC and Hawkshead Lane
« Reply #54 on: March 09, 2009, 02:52:50 PM »
A complex problem but one that needed the bullet to be bitten.  Good to see progress, and it will be  even better when things happen.  As it is, this lane is a nightmare for all users.
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Re: The RVC and Hawkshead Lane
« Reply #55 on: March 10, 2009, 09:30:12 AM »
To paraphrase Winston Churchill's title of his 'The Second World War' Volume 4, the RVC's application to build a 150 parking spaces car park in the Green Belt [??], and the granting of that application by the Council, will be the 'Hinge of Fate' in respect of the parking in Hawkshead Lane.
 
The good news is that Volume 4 of 'The Second World War' covered the start of the turn of the tide in the Allies favour !!!
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Re: The RVC and Hawkshead Lane
« Reply #56 on: March 19, 2009, 10:53:27 PM »
I find it strange that the RVC is allowed to expand without adequate parking for students in place beforehand.
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Re: The RVC and Hawkshead Lane
« Reply #57 on: March 20, 2009, 05:22:00 PM »
Planners seem to believe that if you don't give people anywhere to park they won't drive.  That may work where there's adequate public transport, but otherwise....
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Re: The RVC and Hawkshead Lane
« Reply #58 on: March 20, 2009, 07:15:09 PM »
Too true!  I can only feel sorry for the students who are, in effect deterred, from attending the college through lack of adequate transport or facilities.  I also feel sorry for the residents who are having to put up with the short sighted approach to the problem by whoever.  >:(

The Council I suppose is only following government guidelines.
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Re: The RVC and Hawkshead Lane
« Reply #59 on: March 29, 2009, 07:29:12 PM »
Looking forward to seeing a planning application for a large new RVC car park on the WHBC web-site
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