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[shapps]

Grant, I'm presenting the Action Hatfield petition against the incinerator to the County County waste panel at 2 pm on Wednesday 9 September. Want to come along?
Everyone else welcome of course.
Mike

Actually been wondering whether we should join this up somehow. How many signatures do you have on yours?

[GhostTown68]

Your apparent belief that some people are more 'Welwyn Hatfield' than others is, I am sure quite unintentionally, a bit insulting.

...right, are you sure YOU didn't open that particular can of worms by saying Mike lives in St Albans?
 

Mike, I think it's easy to shout about these things from afar, living as you do in St Albans, but for me schools opening and closing in this area is personal.

Oh look, you did?! My point is, in this rather silly line of debate, that you, on the absolute fringe of 'Welwyn Hatfield', are in no position to start calling London Colney 'St Albans', when in actual fact there is .2 of a mile difference between you two?!
 
And yes, go and ask your neighbours in leafy Brookmans Park if they consider themselves 'Atfield, or Brookmans Park. A shiny penny says its the latter.
 
With regards representing 'all areas of your constituency equally', I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree there. Thankyou though for acknowledging my confusion over Cllr Pile.
 
 

[ADM]

Brookmans Park is in Welwyn Hatfield.
 
London Colney isn't.
 
Do you get it now?

[Mighty Hatfield]

Brookmans Park is in Welwyn Hatfield.
 
London Colney isn't.
 
Do you get it now?

Im not sure if you really understand the side argument here -

Grant put someones comments into question based on where they live.

The fact is that the person in question lives in a village that is equally distant from hatfield as brookmans park is, and certainly closer than Cuffley is, which is also part of welwyn hatfield, but crucially, not part of the parliamentary area.

Therefore, if you can argue that you live in hatfield simply because a boundary commission says you do, at what point does it start to ring hollow?  SG postcodes? another continent? please do tell.
 
I will say this however, none of the people deciding the incinerator issue live in Hatfield, OR have yet been to hatfield to explain to people at a public meeting why they are proceeding with their current course of action despite all of the facts pointing to it being a ridiculous and deeply unpopular idea.
 
There is a public meeting to be held on 26th August at 7.30pm for local residents to attend, give their views, and to formally discuss creating a residents association to fight the incinerator, and longterm, improve the local area. It is being held in the hall next to the hilltop pub. Im pretty sure all residents of welwyn hatfield will know how to get there. 

[GhostTown68]

Brookmans Park is in Welwyn Hatfield.
 
London Colney isn't.
 
Do you get it now?

Read all of my post, rather than just a few words, and you should understand. 

[Peter H]

I hope we can now agree that someone who doesnt live in the constituency or the borough should probably not try to score points about the political colour of the authority making the decision.
 
The requirement to find a site has been imposed by govt. The loss of the new hospital came from govt. the need to find more travellers sites come from govt and the need to close post offices came from the EU.
 
All of these issues are top down and decisions are being made too far from the people who have the most interest. That is how the geography of those posting becomes relevant.
 
Whether or not the County Council are making the right noises given the choice they have to make is a different question and one we might get back to.

[mickeyl]

Let us not lose sight that signing up to one of the petitions may be the best way of influencing the decision against having the incinerator on the New Barnfield site
 
http://www.savenewbarnfield.com/

[shapps]

I've written to the six companies currently bidding to build this unit warning them about the extent of local opposition and encouraging them to look elsewhere.  Here's the letter for your information:

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[mythoughts]

Grant, whilst I'm sure your support against New Barnfield is very welcome, you've made it clear in this letter that you would, however, support a waste incinerator at other sites within your constituency that you view as more suitable. That being so, I think you owe it to all your constituents to make it clear:
 
A) exactly where within your own constituency do you think these suitable alternatives for a waste incinerator are?
B) why do you think they are suitable?
 

 
 

[shapps]

A) exactly where within your own constituency do you think these suitable alternatives for a waste incinerator are?

The best location would be somewhere where there are no residents nearby and where there are excellent road or rail transport links.  I would have thought that Junction 3 of the A1M which is directly on the motorway and without nearby residents would be appropriate. There is unused land to the West of the Junction.

B) why do you think they are suitable?

It's clear that we need to recycle much more as a country, so there's basically a judgement about whether the science of Energy from Waste is right or wrong. I am going to see an actual plant in operation and will report back.

[MikeHobday]

To be clear. I would not support a 270,000 tonne incinerator anywhere in Welwyn Hatfield, or anywhere in Hertfordshire. Such a level of incineration adds to pollution, adds to greenhouse gasses and provides an economic disincentive to recycling. To imagine that we will not be recycling much more - and thus able to feed such a massive incinerator - in thirty years time is remarkable.
 
And since when did no one live near Roehyde?
 
Mike

[shapps]

I'll have to re-locate the research, but I was reading a background briefing from the government which argued strongly in favour of Energy from Waste. Believe it was a DEFRA paper with quotes from a Minister. Interested to hear you disagree with the government's advice on this one.

The key to location is NOT to have the waste pass by residential homes in order to access a site. After all the Nimby accusations you've made in the past I'm quite surprised to hear that you don't believe that this particular form of recycling should take place anywhere at all in Hertfordshire.

You were going to let us know about the numbers on your petition?

Grant

[dizzy]

I feel strongly about the siting of incinerators,I agree that nowhere in herts is the ideal but common sense may have to prevail.The important issue is Not On Barnfield or any where near housing,If the powers that b say there must be one in herts,than I think we all know as with past issues how ever much we protest we are wasting our breath!!!Our only hope is to major on the unsuitable aspect of barnfieldnhaving as much in the way of facts and figues as we can get.
 I m very pleased to hear that Grant will go and visit a site,then we will have some facts as seen by him,
It is a huge issue and one that I geuss some other  county councils are watching with interest.
I hope we will all pull as one Action For Hatfield it appears politics and sniping does our cause no good !!!!
There is a saying do not critiscise if one has not an alternative to offer,and that at least Grant is trying to do. We need more informed experts suggesting other choices so as to show the county council etc we are serious.We all know that waste has to go somewhere no one can deny that.
I hope the meeting will bring forth a lot of considered argument against the proposal and not just a lot of hot air.There were some good speakers at the previous ones.
I also hope some reps from the county council will attend to hear the views and that ALL political parties will be represented this time.

[MikeHobday]

I'll have to re-locate the research, but I was reading a background briefing from the government which argued strongly in favour of Energy from Waste. Believe it was a DEFRA paper with quotes from a Minister. Interested to hear you disagree with the government's advice on this one.

Always happy to put principle and local residents first
I've been campaigning against incinerators for almost twenty years now, and it will take more than a Defra document to persuade me that Herts County Council have got it right!

I'm quite surprised to hear that you don't believe that this particular form of recycling should take place anywhere at all in Hertfordshire.

Let me surprise you even more - I don't believe that burning rubbish is recycling. Considered over the life cycle of any given item, it uses up rather than produces energy. The forms of rubbish most conducive to energy production - paper and plastic - should be amongst the easiest to recycle. At least over a thirty year timetable.

Mike

[mythoughts]

Wasn't the Roehyde Junction viewed as one of two possible sites for the Superhospital that the Government reneged on? Not that we'll ever see the prospect of that realised.