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[I am Legion]

LOOK - who is REALLY responsible for the incinerator (possibly) being built in Hatfield. I do not understand how BOTH parties can BOTH fight against it when obivously someone is agreeing to it!!

tt4n
Kay

Kay
The County Council cabinet, which is pushing this through, is 100% Conservative.
Mike 

Yep, and why have they decided to build an incinerator Mike?

And why is the Labour govt. paying them to do so?

[MikeHobday]

LOOK - who is REALLY responsible for the incinerator (possibly) being built in Hatfield. I do not understand how BOTH parties can BOTH fight against it when obivously someone is agreeing to it!!

tt4n
Kay

Kay
The County Council cabinet, which is pushing this through, is 100% Conservative.
Mike 

Yep, and why have they decided to build an incinerator Mike?

And why is the Labour govt. paying them to do so?

Why are the Tories at County Hall building an incinerator? I've no idea. Ask Grant, because he doesn't oppose incineration - see this week's Welwyn Hatfield Times.

And the Government allows councils to take their own decisions. Occasionally I wish it would take this power to itself, but this is local democracy. Now, all we need is for the Tories to listen to local residents' concerns. If that's not hoping too much!

Mike

[dizzy]

Well it looks bad!!the WHtimes said library will be mooved,.Just one step closer to the nightmare coming true.I am beginning to loose the will to think positively,i believe now the sgenda is set and they will pay no attention to how us residents feel,after all it wont affect any of the people making the decision they dont live here and never will!!!Soon it will be  Hatfield wheres that oh i know that dump where  they have a rubbish dump, a town dump,loads of students,and  few residents.a real cool place to live!!!

[Cassandra]

If Danny Fortson's article on page 10 of the Business section of the Sunday Times dated 14.03.2010 is anything to go by, we Hatfield residents could be offered 'financial incentives' in the form of reduced energy bills for not opposing an incinerator on the New Barnfield site.
 
Looks like bribery to me, and whatever amounts of money are involved, they're likely to be small and will certainly not remove the detrimental impact of the incincerator and its attendant problems on the locality.
 
The article states that, facing stiff penalties from Brussels for not drastically reducing landfill,  'The government's waste strategy in 2007 estimated that up to 500 new facilities needed to be built to handle rubbish that would otherwise have been tipped into landfill'  and 'This equates to having to grant planning permission to about 50 new facilities a year in the run-up to 2020.'  If that's what's in the offing, there will no no escape from waste treatment projects being dumped on (or in) residential areas all around the country, and given that the UK's population is set to keep on growing, the problem of rubbish disposal is going to grow too.
 
The article quotes the success of anaerobic waste disposal plants in Europe, and yet the New Barnfield proposal is for an incinerator.  Without knowing what impact such anaerobic plants have on their environment, it seems that would be a better means of waste disposal than incineration. Even so, I doubt public opinion could be swayed to accept ANY waste disposal plant in, or in close proximity to, a residential area, but as the land area of the UK is limited, residents are unlikely to be given much choice over where these plants are sited.
 
I live within half-a-mile of New Barnfield and certainly don't want one 'on my doorstep' with constant heavy traffic coming and going, let alone any other adverse effects on the neighbourhood.

[dizzy]

i have recently had info about another site that is fighting against it.they have some useful information on it plus a map of all up and running sites and proposed sites ,new barnfield comes under that!! there is also a national site against incineraters.
ukwin.org.uk
coivy.org

[mythoughts]

Thought this recent planning application might be worth looking into? It's for a Waste Transfer Station at Travellers Lane. The actual applicant's name is OM Skips & Recycling, not as written on the form which at first made it a bit difficult to do a quick recce on Companies House etc. I note they are planning to have 10 HGVs, 10 cars and 5 LGVs onsite with 100,000 operational throughputs of waste per annum:
 
http://publicaccess.welhat.gov.uk/rpp/index.asp?caseref=S6/2010/0391/CD
 
This looks like a recycling venture though the geographical positioning does look pretty strategic to me.
 

[speers]

For those viewing this thread, please see the following document that I've uploaded - a factsheet on waste in Hertfordshire.

Additionally, further information is available from the DEFRA website (www.defra.gov.uk) regarding waste treatment methods using the links I've posted below. The links will open pdf. files.

http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/waste/wip/newtech/pdf/att.pdf
http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/waste/wip/newtech/pdf/mbt.pdf
http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/waste/wip/newtech/pdf/ClimateChange3.pdf
http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/waste/wip/newtech/pdf/incineration.pdf


Thanks!

Grant.

Why is it that whenever a new building or new technology, that could possibly help the area and the inhabitance, is always decried and negatively portraid without any thought of long or short term benifits for all.

If they build an incinerator say on the Barnfield library site (Hatfield School) up pops the Wild flower and newt lobby. Then comes the hysterical local pollution lobby with wild cancer causing scenario.

How about some of the benifitial and environmentally friendly scenarios. Here are a few that may help !!!

1) A new technology incinerator will produce Electrical Power Generation for the local community (when waste is burnt heat produces steam for turbines that generate Electricity), also with fume and particle scrubbers and traps there is virtually no pollution.

2)The ash that will be produced can be used in road building or Insulating blocks for house building.

3) The saving on journey times and fuel for refuse vehicles, will  cut costs,  let alone the saving in not having to pay to dump it in a landfill site in some other part of the country.

4) the incinerator and recycling plant will make a saving on council tax and the proposed government waste disposal tax. Plus a few more jobs in the locality if the residents are willing to do them, otherwise its jobs for immigrant workers.

OK so building it costs money but the savings will far outweigh the initial spend.

IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT MONEY GRANT, ALTHOUGH THOSE IN CHARGE REDUCING OUR BILLS DURING A PUNISHING RECESSION WOULD BE NICE, HOWEVER IT'S REALLY ABOUT;

WASTE/INCINERATION + PEOPLE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY = DISASTER IN THE MAKING

AS MUCH AS I LOVE OPEN FIELDS I LOVE MY FAMILY MORE, SO ANY KIND OF WASTE RECYCLING/INCINERATION OPERATION SHOULD BE SEVERAL MILES FROM THE RESIDENTS AND THERE SHOULD BE A CLEAR NO BUILD ZONE AROUND IT/THEM.

[MikeHobday]

IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT MONEY GRANT, ALTHOUGH THOSE IN CHARGE REDUCING OUR BILLS DURING A PUNISHING RECESSION WOULD BE NICE, HOWEVER IT'S REALLY ABOUT;

WASTE/INCINERATION + PEOPLE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY = DISASTER IN THE MAKING

AS MUCH AS I LOVE OPEN FIELDS I LOVE MY FAMILY MORE, SO ANY KIND OF WASTE RECYCLING/INCINERATION OPERATION SHOULD BE SEVERAL MILES FROM THE RESIDENTS AND THERE SHOULD BE A CLEAR NO BUILD ZONE AROUND IT/THEM.

Which really makes you wonder why Grant would be so comfortable with an incinerator at Roehyde, 150 yards from the university, and why Tory Councillor Stuart Pile seems to think that incineration is preferable to housing at New Barnfield.
Mike

[mythoughts]

As county councils, such as Dorset, knock the concept of waste incineration firmly the head, the more I fear that any of the sites around Welwyn Garden City and Hatfield that have been targeted could still become massive permanent bonfires, fueled by other local authorities' waste.
 
This needs to be stopped in its tracks now before we're one of the few places left in the UK earmarked for incineration. The squeeze is already happening.

[John Wood]

Mythoughts,
                 You are so right, waste will come from everywhere, thats why they want one near the railway, there is room where they could put, in some railway sidings at Welham Green.

[aracnid]

Gentlemen
If you look carefully you will see that the sidings and rails are still in place even after 25yrs.

[John Wood]

Well done aracnid. There we go then.

[nossa]

Dear Grant, 
 
In light of the story published in the WHT "Waste transfer station planned for Welham Green" 
http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/waste_transfer_station_planned_for_welham_green_1_210019
 
It is time to challenge the County Council about their real plans for this area. The company in the WHT article have obviously spotted that this is the perfect area for dumping other peoples rubbish.
 
Why are we suffering because Herts CC are failing to meet the EU targets and are now facing fines if they do not put an incinerator somewhere. These targets have been known for years - lets pay the fines, alert the whole County to the failings and make an example of HCC.
 
Hertfordshire being a majority Conservative county has been failed - by both local and county councillors. Coming up to a general election I cannot see any logical reason in voting Conservative when the County and Welyn Hatfield in particular have been treated with such utter contempt and kept uninformed about HCC failings it makes the current Labour Government look like Snow White and Alan Greenspan rolled into one.
 
It is now time to bring in the lawyers - how about leading rally on collecting funds to cover this cost?

[MikeHobday]

Good luck persuading Grant to take action! When I challenged him publicly to oppose plans to build an incinerator ANYWHERE in Welwyn Hatfield, the Welwyn Hatfield Times said that he "refused to be drawn on whether he would oppose an incinerator elsewhere in his constituency."
[Source: http://www.whtimes.co.uk/news/mp_urged_to_say_no_to_incinerators_anywhere_in_welwyn_hatfield_1_35916]
 
Given that he's told constituents that he'd be "perfectly happy" to see an incinerator at Roehyde, 150 yards from the university, and that he wouldn't comment on a waste incinerator in Welham Green, what chance he's opposed to a waste transfer station there?
 
Grant doesn't seem to like attacking Tory Councils - he never criticised the Borough Council for its neglect of Hatfield town centre, and he won't criticise the county council now.
 
I wonder why?
 
Mike

[Rocket_fan]

Just goes to show our MP well the elected MP for WH doesn't know the area he's supposed to represent -

1 there is a row of cottages and a bungalow on the Roe Hyde site
2 It is only a stones throw from the High Dells (where we live) and Canvendish Estates
3 It is only a stones throw from the Ellenbrook Estate
4 Its across the road from the UoH site on the former Polytechnic/Hatfield Grammer School Site
5 It backs onto the village of Colney Heath

The best location would be somewhere where there are no residents nearby and where there are excellent road or rail transport links.  I would have thought that Junction 3 of the A1M which is directly on the motorway and without nearby residents would be appropriate. There is unused land to the West of the Junction.