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[mythoughts]

http://www.stalbansobserver.co.uk/news/localnews/display.var.1816716.0.waste_treatment_sites_revealed.php

They include Green Belt land at Roehyde, just south of Junction 4 of the A1(M), and the Burrowfields industrial area in Welwyn Garden City, only a short distance from a housing estate.

[Kay]

mythoughts "The Welwyn Hatfield locations include the former Hatfield aerodrome,"

So, not only are the residents who bought houses on the site (or noear) going to have to lose more green belt, they have (maybe) to now contend with the possibility of recycling sites near them - I bet they will not be too pleased with that - having invested their valuable money.  Although there are no specific locations given.

tt4n
Kay

[mythoughts]

You're right...they won't! Mind you, I'd also love to know where the rumoured six radiation canisters are meant to be burried... or maybe I wouldn't...

gotta glow,

[Broadside]

I think the useless Parkway in WGC should be used as a dump.
Why not?
We could actually make some money instead of spending the Hatfield community's hard earned
on cultivating an expensive tract of WGC land (as ever) that serves no real purpose.

[dizzy]

Has any one got any info on the possible use of travellers lane site,.An official  told the school they would be resited!! As far as i know there has been no consultation period,This site would be totally unsuitable i feel as it would  cause traffic chaos on the roundabout,.I feel thee sites should not be in areas of housing.There is also talk of an incinerator.
I am extremally worried as these things get slipped in fait accompli.Any site chosen should be well away from  housing,its not a case of...not in my back yard...it shouldnt be in any ones back yard.

[aracnid]

Why is it that whenever a new building or new technology, that could possibly help the area and the inhabitance, is always decried and negatively portraid without any thought of long or short term benifits for all.

If they build an incinerator say on the Barnfield library site (Hatfield School) up pops the Wild flower and newt lobby. Then comes the hysterical local pollution lobby with wild cancer causing scenario.

How about some of the benifitial and environmentally friendly scenarios. Here are a few that may help !!!

1) A new technology incinerator will produce Electrical Power Generation for the local community (when waste is burnt heat produces steam for turbines that generate Electricity), also with fume and particle scrubbers and traps there is virtually no pollution.

2)The ash that will be produced can be used in road building or Insulating blocks for house building.

3) The saving on journey times and fuel for refuse vehicles, will  cut costs,  let alone the saving in not having to pay to dump it in a landfill site in some other part of the country.

4) the incinerator and recycling plant will make a saving on council tax and the proposed government waste disposal tax. Plus a few more jobs in the locality if the residents are willing to do them, otherwise its jobs for immigrant workers.

OK so building it costs money but the savings will far outweigh the initial spend.

[lh]

not only will it be near a school - but next to a FANTASTIC special needs school !!!!  How can it be considered - an incinerator next door to a school !!!  Crazy plans - there must be sites that would be less disruptive to peoples lives and their children's educations !!!

[mythoughts]

How about retailers, fmcg companies etc stop wrapping things up in unecessary packaging in the first place.

Example of how mad this is....

Took deep breath and went into Sainsbury's WGC...hate going in there as the queues are ridiculous and it's so hard to find what you want...that's if they've got it in stock.  Anyway, bought some brussels on a "brussel tree" cos they are quite nice actually. However, said tree was wrapped in celophane.  Moaned about this at till and was told "we have to wrap them as if one falls off people won't buy them"... then, I say then, as I walked off with them under my arm the till assistant asked "Would you like a bag for those...."

Good grief!

[Contrarian]

How about a prison instead!!

[dizzy]

It is vital that every one who may be affected by the proposed sites has their say.The consultation period is up on march 10,it is very suspicious and underhand how there has been no info in local papers.So  how can they consult!!!is it meant to be a done deal as so few people know about it.I am concerned re the travellers lane site.That roundabout already has tesco lorries going round every15 mins or so at all hours.The impact on the housing around that area with increased noise from the waste lorries would be detrimental to health.It would be disaster if the school and the library were shut down also there could be an incinerator going all hours as  if that land was allocated the waste providers i believe choose how to use it.There is currently a petition going around plus it is important you down load a form from the herts direct site to voice your objections.
This council are just ridin roufgshod over  us all the least they could do is put all the pros and cons out in the local papers re all the sites.Is it a done deal?perhaps some of our local councillours who contribute to this site would care to answer this!!!

[dizzy]

I find it astounding that no one on this site is concerned about the waste disposal site,!!does every one live in a little box and think if i hide my head this huge impact on hatfield will not   concern me!!!well wake up and smell the coffee!when millions of tons of waste are trundling down southway,the A1 andall connecting roads,when pollution at a high level contaminates the local enviroment,when all hours of traffic affect your sleep,when we loose the barnfield library and the vitally important schools in that area,our house prices will suffer as who will want to come and live in such close proximityto an incinerator going full blast all hours,
There is a form to print of on hertfordshire site I implore you fill it in.There appear to be plans to widen southway ,and is that why trees have been cut down on acess road down infront of hotel to the uni roundabout,possibly to widen road for lorries?
I cannot believe that the organisations concerned have not put full details in the local paper .Is it a done deal,Is there a gigantic cover up??Is it legal that we as residents of hatfield have not been consulted?what are our local concil reps doing about it?all very very quiet here,I think they know more  and dont think we ought to know!!you get elected by us please   give us the courtesy of informing us.
Hatfield has so little going for it have the powers that be given hatfield up like the mythical town centre development,and so think that a waste disposal plant will enhance us and improove our facilities,.!!!after all its only hatfield!!
MARCH10 is nearly here,dont let it be to late!!

[mythoughts]

It's impossible to comment on this consultation...even if you get through the site keeps crashing! Plus thes files are far too big for many people to download...we have no democracy.

http://www.hertsdirect.org/envroads/environment/plan/hccdevplan/wasteplanningcons/

[shapps]

For those viewing this thread, please see the following document that I've uploaded - a factsheet on waste in Hertfordshire.

Additionally, further information is available from the DEFRA website (www.defra.gov.uk) regarding waste treatment methods using the links I've posted below. The links will open pdf. files.

http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/waste/wip/newtech/pdf/att.pdf
http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/waste/wip/newtech/pdf/mbt.pdf
http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/waste/wip/newtech/pdf/ClimateChange3.pdf
http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/waste/wip/newtech/pdf/incineration.pdf


Thanks!

Grant.

[mythoughts]

Of course Grant the deadline to have your say on this crucial issue is 5pm today...so I doubt anyone will get a chance to look at these extra pdfs  now when the online application is more complex than a rubic cube and would take the same amount of time to complete as it would a 5,000 piece jigsaw puzzle. Several people I know that have tried to get their point across have given up. Have you tried to comment Grant? Dizzy? Mike H? Anyone else? I've done a few but it's a nightmare!

[MikeHobday]

It hardly seems the best ever designed consultation in a number of ways. It looks at the Burrowfields site in WGC, for example, and then says that the land is occupied "and there seems little obvious potential within the industrial estate itself." Issues which are vitally important to many people such as whether an incinerator is proposed, are completely outside the scope of the consultation.

So many issues are addressed only in the broadest of terms, thus leaving the County Council to make decisions with precious little effective guidance from the public. Perhaps because of this vagueness, it is impossible to tell whether the more alarmist statements, for example, about incinerators should cause genuine concern or whether they are unlikely.

What can be addressed, however, as I have done, is the suitability of specific sites - see page 174 of http://enquire.hertscc.gov.uk/pdfstore/wsapreferred2008.pdf

In principle, of course, there's nothing wrong with well informed County Councillors making such decisions (Declaration of interest: I did this myself for eight years from 1997 to 2005). But the record of the current administration, including closing the successful New Briars School and deciding not to object to the Primary Care Trust's hospital consultation process, does not suggest that Welwyn Hatfield's County Councillors are very effective in representing local views.

Mike